Session Start: Sun Sep 07 00:00:00 2014 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
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[10:25]<+camerongray> PCdoc: wow, I am gobsmacked...
[10:43]<BC_Programmer> huh
[10:51]<+camerongray> <PCdoc> I heard quad core processor is one of the worst processors ever made. is it true camerongray ?
[10:51]<+camerongray> <PCdoc> camerongray: Just asking. if its myth or is it true
[10:51]<+camerongray> <PCdoc> Quad core CPU family are not good, thats what someone told me.
[10:51]<+camerongray> <PCdoc> its worst than atom ..
[10:51]<+camerongray> <PCdoc> :-s
[11:00]<BC_Programmer> lol
[11:01]<+camerongray> Really worries me
[11:01]<+camerongray> This is why I still believe there should be some legal certification for repairing people's PCs
[11:02]<+camerongray> As there is with electicians and gas engineers
[11:14]<Veltas> I would have mine revoked. Much like my maths licence
[11:16]<+camerongray> haha
[11:17]<Veltas> Atoms aren't bad processors! Seemed to work fine for rudimentary things in my last netbook...
[11:17]<+camerongray> They are fine for basic use but very weak
[11:17]<+camerongray> The issue is more how (a) he thinks that "Quad Core" is a model of CPU
[11:17]<Veltas> It had hyperthreading, so technically it's better than my i5 quad core in one respect
[11:18]<+camerongray> And (b) that he thinks it's "the worst processor ever made" because someone waid so
[11:18]<Veltas> Yeah I mean the naiive understanding of a quad core is better than this understanding, admittedly.
[11:18]<@jacky> <+camerongray> The issue is more how (a) he thinks <<< perhaps you should have just put a period there, huh? :)
[11:18]<+camerongray> haha
[11:18]<@jacky> : /s/if/how ?
[11:19]<+camerongray> s/if/that :P
[11:19]<@jacky> s/if/"can he"
[11:22]<BC_Programmer> waffle
[11:22]<@jacky> rutabaga
[11:52]<PCdoc> camerongray: I dont find any reason for you to broadcast every question I ask in the ch ..
[11:52]<PCdoc> And what has repairing got to do with knowledge of the cpu's ?
[11:52]<+camerongray> You seem happy to laugh at stuff other people in CH say
[11:56]<+camerongray> And as someone who repairs and builds PCs, I'd expect at least some knowledge of what quad core means and what CPUs are available as well as a rough idea of how they perform
[11:57]<PCdoc> No i don't find it important. Fixing a motherboard or hard disk has nothing to do with how cpu perform or which ones are available etc
[11:58]<+camerongray> You build PCs..
[11:58]<PCdoc> That's part is related to sales.
[11:58]<+camerongray> So you sell PCs too..
[11:58]<+camerongray> Therefore you should know about CPUs...
[11:59]<PCdoc> Yeah I do. But customer here dont even know what a processor looks like. So even if I know what core and threads are inside CPU. My customers wont understand a thing.
[12:00]<+camerongray> wow...
[12:00]<PCdoc> They just want there work to get done at lowest price
[12:00]<+camerongray> Surely your position is to help those people who don't know what a CPU looks like to buy the best one for their needs...
[12:00]<PCdoc> They are interested "How much do I have to shell out". (from my past experience)
[12:01]<BC_Programmer> So you are the PC repair equivalent of a crappy contractor?
[12:01]<+camerongray> BC_Programmer: exactly
[12:01]<+camerongray> The classic "I'll go into PC repair because it's easy"
[12:02]<PCdoc> camerongray: rather I have problem remembering figures. I cant remember how many threads a cpu has or those numbers. I lack there
[12:02]<+camerongray> You could then look them up and just have an understanding of what they mean
[12:02]<+camerongray> If you asked me how much cache a 4790k had I would have to look it up
[12:03]<+camerongray> You also seem to believe a lot of what non-reputable people say
[12:03]<+camerongray> "Quad Core CPUs are the worst" "This charger is genuine"
[12:03]<PCdoc> right now to achieve this year's Intel gold partnership, they asked me to take certain course / trainings where at the end I have to answer few questions. I took the course but now at the end cant remember the figures :(
[12:03]<+camerongray> Wait
[12:03]<+camerongray> So you did this course
[12:03]<BC_Programmer> was one of the questions "which is better, a Quad Core or a Atom"?
[12:03]<+camerongray> Yet you still had to ask me if "The Quad Core CPU is the worst"
[12:04]<PCdoc> camerongray: I HAVE to take course to keep my gold partnership alive. Not that I am taking course to learn
[12:04]<+camerongray> wow...
[12:04]<+camerongray> Intel have let their standards slip
[12:04]<PCdoc> its membership criteria
[12:05]<+camerongray> So you are a gold partner purely for the title, don't care about the advice you give to customers? jesus
[12:05]<PCdoc> I would expect you to stop judging me every now and then on very small amount of knowledge
[12:05]<+camerongray> You are in a position of trust with your customers
[12:06]<+camerongray> I can't stand these dodgy computer repair people
[12:06]<PCdoc> But what makes you judge me.
[12:06]<BC_Programmer> When you hire an electrician you expect them not to think Electricity is magic
[12:06]<PCdoc> oh wait.. now you are wantin to win the arguement
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[12:06]<+camerongray> There is no "winning" involved
[12:06]<PCdoc> you still wont stop judging me
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[12:06]<@BC_Programming> Hey Calum
[12:06]<+camerongray> hey Calum! You have just walked into "fun"
[12:07]<PCdoc> hi Calum
[12:07]<Calum> hi all
[12:07]<Calum> "fun"?
[12:07]<+camerongray> Calum: I criticised PCdoc
[12:07]<PCdoc> camerongray: ok, you were taking it as fun ?? ok. I got better things to do ..
[12:07]<+camerongray> I put "fun" in quotes
[12:07]<@BC_Programming> lol
[12:07]<+camerongray> PCdoc: I have had enough of these clueless PC repair people ripping off my friends and family
[12:08]<@BC_Programming> Circle PSU!
[12:08]<PCdoc> camerongray: yeah you are the god. everyone else is an idiot. I can understand that. Happy ?
[12:08]<+camerongray> No, I am not a god
[12:08]<PCdoc> :)
[12:08]<+camerongray> There is a reason I don't offer PC repairs professionaly
[12:08]<PCdoc> ok, but all others are idiots
[12:08]<+camerongray> Why? Because I do not feel that I know enough to do it
[12:08]<@BC_Programming> No, just you
[12:09]<+camerongray> BC_Programming isnt' an idiot, nor is Calum
[12:09]<+camerongray> Everyone has different skills
[12:09]<@BC_Programming> you take that back
[12:09]<@BC_Programming> oh
[12:09]<+camerongray> I just expect a basic level of knowledge from a professional PC repair person
[12:09]<+camerongray> If I was sitting at work and asked "What is a database" I would expect a very similar response
[12:10]<@BC_Programming> So guys, Whats a variable anyway?
[12:10]<PCdoc> Yeah and if asked you something in another channel, I would expect you to either correct me, answerme. But not drag it to other channel to make fun of me
[12:11]<+camerongray> Well, I'm sorry for that, but you do it enough for other people in CH
[12:11]<+camerongray> And I was absolutely shocked
[12:13]<PCdoc> The same way you find it funny when I talk like idiot, the same way I also find it funny when others talk like that. because may be I or they might have talked like and idiot
[12:13]<PCdoc> And when I laugh, you also laugh and other too. So I am not the only one
[12:14]<@BC_Programming> And if you ever find Camerongray saying something that stupid, you go right ahead
[12:14]<+camerongray> Yes, but you get so offended when the subject happens to be you...
[12:14]<@BC_Programming> though I doubt that will ever happen
[12:14]<+camerongray> Exactly, if someone picks me up for saying something stupid, I will accept it
[12:15]<PCdoc> Like jacky said, i already put a period there in that channel. Nor did I defend myself. because I googled just to be sure how stupid that question was
[12:15]<+camerongray> jacky didn't tell you to put a period in the channel, he was talking about my punctuation
[12:16]<+camerongray> I guess I'm just being too sensitive expencting someone who repairs and sells PCs professionally to actually know the basics
[12:17]<@BC_Programming> "Which is better, PVC or Copper?" -Plumber
[12:17]<PCdoc> having to know what cores are inside a CPU is not basic but advanced, IMO
[12:18]<+camerongray> That is very basic knowlede
[12:18]<+camerongray> My 79 year old granny knows she has two cores
[12:18]<@BC_Programming> haha
[12:18]<PCdoc> for a repair professional
[12:18]<+camerongray> My mum also knows that she has a dual core i5
[12:19]<+camerongray> If that's advanced, I'd love to know what basic is
[12:19]<PCdoc> camerongray: thats nice. But I dont think it is important for them to know
[12:19]<+camerongray> WHAT>:
[12:19]<+camerongray> fjasdgfawegt we
[12:19]<+camerongray> It is not important to know what CPU you have?
[12:19]<PCdoc> I mean that 'age'
[12:19]<+camerongray> Yes, it's not important for them to know
[12:19]<+camerongray> But they don't sell PCs
[12:19]<@BC_Programming> Perhaps not. But it's important for a person who repairs PCs and advises people on them
[12:20]<+camerongray> And there was me going mental at a local PC repair store for fitting liquid cooling pumps to the CPU fan header
[12:20]<+camerongray> Thinking that that was "basic stuff"
[12:21]<PCdoc> You are now confusing me over words. I meant its good they know, may be because they are interested in knowing it.
[12:21]<@BC_Programming> He agreed with you already that it is not important for them to know
[12:21]<@BC_Programming> They don't repair PCs and advise people on PC repairs and upgrades, though
[12:22]<@BC_Programming> The point was that it isn't "advanced information" for somebody specializing in that body of knowledge
[12:22]<+camerongray> So when someone asks you what PC to buy, is the level of help they get "What colour do you like?"
[12:22]<@BC_Programming> sort of like understanding law isn't "advanced knowledge" if you are a lawyer
[12:22]<@BC_Programming> "You should not get a quad core, they are the worst" :P
[12:23]<PCdoc> BC_Programming: if you read carefully, thats someone told me .. and I asked camerongray if that was true
[12:23]<+camerongray> Yes
[12:23]<PCdoc> I dont find any reason to makesuch a big issue out of one question I asked
[12:23]<@BC_Programming> Yes that is the issue, you should know that sort of thing already!
[12:23]<+camerongray> But surely you doing this professionally you should have enough knowledge to know that they are talking nonsense
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[12:23]<@BC_Programming> PUFFING?
[12:24]<+camerongray> was just about to say that
[12:24]<@Calum> ;)
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[12:24]<+camerongray> I also find it amusing that you, a person who does this professional is asking me for help where I do not do this professionally
[12:24]<@Calum> Let my nick expire didn't I, like a casual. Only re registered it the other day
[12:25]<@jacky> Calum: that's what it looked like to me. :)
[12:25]<@BC_Programming> How do we know this is the same Calum?
[12:25]<@BC_Programming> maybe it's an impostor?
[12:25]<@jacky> <snif, snif>
[12:25]<@jacky> same Calum
[12:25]<@BC_Programming> hah
[12:25]<@jacky> your turn.. take a swing
[12:25]<PCdoc> I want to say lots of things, but my inability to argue and place words in the sentence so they are correctly phrased.
[12:26]<PCdoc> so saying anything further will anyway will be like I am making a fool out of me
[12:26]<PCdoc> myself*
[12:26]<@BC_Programming> cry moar
[12:28]<+camerongray> *sigh*
[12:28]<+camerongray> I do really want to know what the "basic" knowledge you need for customers is...
[12:28]<+camerongray> "This computer is good, it's black"
[12:29]<@BC_Programming> "Tower PC'
[12:29]<@BC_Programming> they are faster because of gravity, right?
[12:29]<PCdoc> You need to know enouh for the type of customers or the customer base you are dealing with
[12:29]<+camerongray> No, you need to know more
[12:29]<PCdoc> I have tried telling people many things. they get bored and start looking at there mobiles
[12:30]<+camerongray> A customter may not understand PCs, but if they come in and say "I need a PC for video editing" you need to find something suitable for them
[12:30]<@BC_Programming> hmm I suppose there is some sense there. If you are dealing with people who are dumber than sand, you can get away with knowing very little
[12:30]<@BC_Programming> or at least not bother learning more, though arguably that could be said to be a rather unhealthy attitude
[12:31]<+camerongray> Yeah
[12:31]<+camerongray> There is also a difference between convincing the customer and actually giving them quality help
[12:31]<PCdoc> camerongray: yeah, so I normally ask them what type of work you want to do. And then suggest accordingly.
[12:31]<@BC_Programming> Thing is in this case the goal isn't to help the customer
[12:31]<@BC_Programming> it's to separate them from some of their moneys
[12:32]<PCdoc> If I suggest them core i7 for gaming, upon hearing prices they will come down to having core i3 with graphics card'
[12:33]<PCdoc> secondly, most of the customers are college students here. They have something in there minds that there friends (one of the friend) is a god in c9omputer and if he says buy a PENTIUM4 for gam,ing, they wont listen to me
[12:33]<PCdoc> no matter how much I spend time in convincing them
[12:34]<+camerongray> But how can you suggest the best system for a task when you don't understand them?
[12:34]<PCdoc> And thats what happens when you say I should not suggest CIrcle. I mean I am helpless, I have started quoting antec and cooler master, but they come down to some crappy branded smps
[12:34]<+camerongray> And do you know what I do
[12:34]<+camerongray> I do not offer the cheap ones
[12:35]<PCdoc> When it comes to 'best system', I have normally asked you if you remember
[12:35]<+camerongray> Yes, and now I will refuse to help
[12:35]<+camerongray> Why should we do your job for you due to your lack of knowledge?
[12:35]<+camerongray> You're the one getting paid
[12:35]<PCdoc> yeah I thankyou for improving me there to go for branded smps. I have stopped selling them
[12:36]<+camerongray> No you haven't
[12:36]<PCdoc> And since lon time I have not asked you because I am now concentrating on repair rather than sales
[12:36]<PCdoc> And now I am diverging my business as there is not much opportunity in computers atleast here in India.
[12:36]<PCdoc> everyone is going for tablets and ultrabooks'
[12:37]<PCdoc> that too they buy online now
[12:37]<PCdoc> And we local stores cant compete online prices. They sell below our purchase price
[12:38]<+camerongray> I give up
[12:38]<+camerongray> Basically just another cowboy PC repair person
[12:38]<@BC_Programming> Same attitude I can thank for the Elance programs we got
[12:39]<+camerongray> Yeah
[12:39]<+camerongray> Someone comes to me and asks for a PC far too cheap for it's use, I say "Sorry, you won't get it for that price"
[12:39]<+camerongray> Not build somethign crap
[12:40]<PCdoc> I am not aware how PC business goes in other countries. I only know about India. What ever I say what they do here, you will always think thats crap.
[12:40]<+camerongray> Or what you do is open a PC repair store, don't actually learn stuff yourself and just expect people like us to help you for free
[12:41]<+camerongray> Well from what I've heard it is
[12:41]<+camerongray> Notice how many times I've asked BC_Programming to help me with stuff I do at work
[12:41]<PCdoc> camerongray: and what you are saying "thats now how it should be" is something really new for me
[12:41]<PCdoc> not *
[12:42]<+camerongray> PCdoc: If you got an electrician to rewire your house, would you expect them to have advanced knowledge of electrics?
[12:42]<@BC_Programming> "Hmm I'm out of fuses, I'll use a penny"
[12:43]<+camerongray> Would you be happy if you saw them on IRC asking other people what to do?
[12:43]<PCdoc> Ofcourse I will expect.
[12:43]<PCdoc> because if they are not advanced, they will surely compromise on safety
[12:43]<+camerongray> So...
[12:43]<+camerongray> Why do you not feel that you need advanced knowledge?
[12:45]<PCdoc> yes, I do need it now ... After this conversation
[12:45]<+camerongray> I'll believe that when I see it
[12:45]<PCdoc> and thanks for making me realise it
[12:46]<@BC_Programming> Well Quad Core > Atom, so that's a start
[12:46]<+camerongray> Err... you're welcome I guess
[12:46]<+camerongray> The main thing I can think of is to stop trusting every random person
[12:46]<+camerongray> Like that person who sold that charger
[12:46]<PCdoc> That charger now costs me Rs. 5200 :(
[12:47]<+camerongray> "It's genuine, I'll do you a good deal" *handshake* does not mean that they are tellign the truth
[12:47]<PCdoc> from my own pocket
[12:47]<+camerongray> Yes, because you trusted some random dodgy person and blew a customer's laptop up
[12:48]<PCdoc> The problem is here in India, you cannot make out if a charger is genuine or not. If you keep two charger, a dodgy one and a genuine one and asked, which one is genuine and which one is dodgy, you wont be able to answer
[12:48]<+camerongray> Then you buy from a reputable source
[12:49]<PCdoc> That was one of the reputable source, in my City
[12:49]<+camerongray> Well he obviously wasn't
[12:49]<PCdoc> I dont know about the charger and battery business of other countries but you willbe shocked to hear what they do here
[12:49]<+camerongray> It is very bad everywhere
[12:49]<+camerongray> Hence why I only buy them from proper sources
[12:50]<PCdoc> And there's no one to stop them because of corruption
[12:50]<+camerongray> Yes, it's everyone else's fault
[12:50]<PCdoc> Yeah I should have listened to the authorised distributor, he had said HP cq40 charger are end of life
[12:50]<PCdoc> :(
[12:50]<PCdoc> They are not any more manufactured
[12:51]<+camerongray> Yes you should have
[12:51]<+camerongray> Well anyway
[12:51]<+camerongray> Calum: How have you been :P
[12:51]<+camerongray> Sorry about that
[12:52]<@BC_Programming> http://i.imgur.com/9DC6IPJ.jpg
[12:52]<+camerongray> haha!
[12:54]<@Calum> camerongray - not been too bad thanks, just very busy, with Cassie and work and all that fun stuff
[12:54]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah lol
[12:54]<@BC_Programming> "fun" stuff?
[12:54]<@jacky> see you all later ...
[12:54]<@jacky> 
[12:54]<+camerongray> cya
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[12:55]<@Calum> well, maybe that part is a slight exaggeration, not too much fun stuff hah. Work and taking care of Cassie have been taking up too much of my time really hence my absence
[12:57]<PCdoc> cya good nite
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[12:59]<@Calum> random question for you, camerongray as you are the master of keyboards - is there anything louder than Cheery Blue switches? Are buckling springs louder or just different?
[12:59]<@Calum> or even Cherry blue, not sure CHeery blue is a thing
[12:59]<+camerongray> haha
[12:59]<+camerongray> BS is louder but not as annoying since it's a clack
[13:00]<@Calum> so if I wanted to be obnoxiously loud, I can't do better than blues?
[13:00]<@BC_Programming> Unicomp?
[13:01]<@BC_Programming> Or you can get one of them fancy mechanical keyboards with the transformers
[13:01]<@Calum> maybe I need to try one out to see what's more annoying
[13:01]<@Calum> transformers?
[13:01]<@BC_Programming> joke
[13:01]<@BC_Programming> DB said once that mechanical keyboards have transformers in every key
[13:01]<@BC_Programming> as in electrical transformers presumably
[13:01]<@Calum> I seem to vaguely remember something about that
[13:02]<@Calum> I'll try and find one of those rare beasts then, that's surely the way to go
[13:02]<@BC_Programming> Mine is a Unicomp Ultra Classic 104-key
[13:02]<@BC_Programming> I don't have any other mechanical keyboards to compare though
[13:03]<@Calum> I'll have to try and get hold of something to compare, I'm totally not trying to irritate someone beyond belief in a passive aggressive protest against their stupidity (not Cassie)
[13:04]<@BC_Programming> I've always thought buckling spring was the loudest, though I don't know if that is the case
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